Is a vegan lifestyle natural for humans? #145

@groundnpounder Watch Dr. John McDougall’s youtube video “Gladiators were vegan.”

@1imesub Genghis Khans army came from Mongolia and Central Asia, they never did and still don’t eat starches as they don’t grow well there. They eat meat and animal products. But please entertain us all with why you think Ghengis Khan’s Hoarde of Mongols lived on starches..

@groundnpounder And nobody cares what “you actually said.” You’re not that important.

@groundnpounder What’s your obsession with athletes? They don’t matter; what they do doesn’t matter. They aren’t changing the world, they’re just competing for money and fame. I already mentioned the gladiators; I don’t think anyone we have today would even consider stepping in the ring with them. I also mentioned some of the greatest armies in history. Caesar’s legions complained when they were given meat before a battle; they preferred plant based foods. Anyone can take drugs and cheat.

@1imesub omg, You said “Plants provide all the nutrients humans need to survive” what I actually said was “Plants may well provide all the nutrients humans need to thrive just not to be an elite athlete”. Also please name the athletes on the video who are not b grade? Saying that I’m wrong doesn’t make you correct, you have to back it up with evidence. Gladiators were slaves who killed eachother for the entertainment of others, their lives were cheap and inferior like their diets.

@groundnpounder “Plants provide all the nutrients humans need to thrive” is the first intelligent thing you’ve said. You are incorrect on the vegan B grade athlete status, however. The Roman Gladiators were vegan athletes; probably the greatest fighters the Earth has ever seen. The most successful conquerors in human history; Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, and their armies lived on starches. Your ideas on the ‘inferiority’ of a plant based diet are completely wrong.

@1imesub I’m not wrong. I said “Plants may well provide all the nutrients humans need to thrive just not to be an elite athlete”. That’s not incorrect, why don’t you watch Durianriders videos and learn from them…. who of those athletes is not a b grade outlier?? If you can’t see what Durianrider is getting at then I’ll tell you, if you’re a vegan and you choose to be an athlete then the best you can hope for regardless of your talent and genetics is to be a b grade outlier. Think for yourself.

@groundnpounder You’re absolutely right… I forgot to mention all the supplements they take as well. You’re incorrect about the need for animal body parts in one’s diet however. Listen to what Durianrider is saying in these videos and learn; he breaks it down so that even the most simple-minded, mouth-breathing rednecks can understand. Believe in yourself, everyone is capable of learning.

@1imesub Champions are made out of alot more things than drugs and one those things is a balanced diet with animal products in it…. Plants may well provide all the nutrients humans need to thrive just not to be an elite athlete.. you’re still an idiot.

@1imesub And saying that most(more than 50%) great atheletes are on steroids/PED’s is not based on anything other than your own imagination, but if you have evidence please let us all know. Steroids/PED’s can only impact the following things strength/power, recovery time, stamina…they don’t can’t give a boxer better reflexes or a footballer better coordination or make a fighter cut weight easier or a judoka better technique or a gymnast the discipline to train hard and sacrifice.

@1imesub I won’t shut up… and you stating that you “know for a fact” that you’re healthier now because of being vegan doesn’t make you any less of an idiot. Among the many things you don’t “know for a fact” is the nature of food/diet, sport and the relationship between the two. Insinuating that diet has nothing to do with great athletes while steroids and performance enhancing drugs do shows how little you know.

@groundnpounder Oh shut up… I can speak from personal experience, unlike you. I ate an omnivorous diet for the first 20 years of my life, then I gave up meat, dairy and eggs for the next 11 years. I know for a fact that I am much healthier now than I was back then. Without performance enhancing drugs, many of the top athletes would not be where they are today. If you don’t realize this by now, you’re living in a fantasy dream world. Plants provide all the nutrients Humans need to thrive.

@1imesub so let me get this strait… performance enhancing drugs are what matter and diet(vegan or omnivorous) has nothing to do with it??? You’re an idiot, a complete idiot. I don’t mind the fact that people choose to be vegans because this reason or that, but don’t lie to yourselves and everyone else about what it is and isn’t.

@groundnpounder Most “great” athletes use steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It has nothing to do with eating animal corpses…

@dailydols I mean “option” in a biological sense, not the “lawful” sense.

I think humans have the option to eat meat, but also not to. The art of vegan lifestyle is probably to listen to you inner (stomach) voice and select the vegetable with a good variety to avoid malnutrition and compensate for stuff that one would pick up through meat.

You know people do sometimes reason that we should eat meat because animals do. Also vegans argue that we are different but don’t talk about evoltion maybe being a part of the reason even animals eat meat and maybe they have the teeth and parts they do. Soooooo I am a fruitarian. It makes complete since to me to eat the food that the tree gives freely because I wouldn’t want to be dinner and meat eaters seem to be angrier, more violent, less open to new ideas.

15 ppl didnt watch the whole video

@adoravenus3 What if I milk my own cow and treat her nice, don’t use abx or hormones, let her free range?

@usurynation Cows are given hormones so they excrete milk at a much higher amount than needed & long after having calves. They are given antibiotics to stop pus production in the over used & inflamed utters but a certain amount of pus & blood is deemed ok so says the FDA. They are fed mostly GMO corn instead of their natural grass diet.They are kept in tiny stalls in their own crap & their young calves are taken away soon after birthing. Thats how milk gets to the table. For B12 take a pill.

Man seeing those pigs…

Very upsetting seeing the poor pigs. How can anyone do that? They probably have so much brain fog they can’t see properly. They may well find themselves as a pig in their next life, but I hope no one has to ever get tied up like that.

BTW don’t you think it’s a bit lame to try and push your vegan propaganda by showing B grade atheletes who happen to be vegan? It would’ve been better if you showed the all of the Olympic gold medalists and world champions who are vegans instead??? OHH THAT’S RIGHT THERE ARE NONE

The vegan diet is as natural for humans as is being carnivorous and every degree of omnivorousness inbetween…. Why is it that you find issue with this durianrider?? Can’t you just accept that people have been thriving on everything and anything(accept probably the modern western processed food diet) since day dot. Being a raw vegan is great if you have access to fresh food year round but not everybody does….yet they thrive as much as everyone else.

You rock durianriders